tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15078041.post113088548223463654..comments2024-02-05T17:07:30.562+08:00Comments on Afdlin Shauki : Inside My Head: FILM WARS - THE ENGINEER STRIKES BACK (heehee)Cipkodokhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16718830518349767538noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15078041.post-1131641108125799102005-11-11T00:45:00.000+08:002005-11-11T00:45:00.000+08:00Hello bro,Apa yg dilihat adalah AS (afdlin shauki)...Hello bro,<BR/><BR/>Apa yg dilihat adalah AS (afdlin shauki) lain dari yg lain...itu yg kita nak dalam industri ini,bukan yg sama je acuan dan gaya cerita.<BR/>Teruskan usaha anda yg unik...bila tengok AS ni memang teringat kat seseorang ;-)<BR/> (ini confirm by my niece le...)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15078041.post-1131345752381728982005-11-07T14:42:00.000+08:002005-11-07T14:42:00.000+08:00lizzam :: hmm.. bout d 'money matters' james lee (...lizzam :: hmm.. bout d 'money matters' james lee (director of beautiful mwashing machine etc)once gave a talk to my coursemates bout d camera he uses and casting. the camera isnt those fancy cameras some 'big' film makers in Malaysia uses, but if u watched it, the quality is d same with those big big movies. and he was lucky because people like elaine daly and i-forgot-who-but-its-a-good-looking-model is his close friend. so budget wasnt a big issue. so yeah, i couldnt agree wit u more, it didnt get much of our countrymen's attention, obviously its because of MINDSET.-zaza:o:binxz-https://www.blogger.com/profile/10277005102350436687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15078041.post-1131308266617442512005-11-07T04:17:00.000+08:002005-11-07T04:17:00.000+08:00lizzam: saje je letak splah page. used to be a blo...lizzam: saje je letak splah page. used to be a blog, but i couldn't be bothered anymore...<BR/><BR/>freak<BR/>www.hafizismail.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15078041.post-1131284792988891722005-11-06T21:46:00.000+08:002005-11-06T21:46:00.000+08:00banyaknyer post!!!seiap dengan research and footno...banyaknyer post!!!seiap dengan research and footnotes!i thiink i'm gonna add something so here goes:<BR/><BR/>1. to Freak(www.hafizismail.com - Your site is only one page,or is it that i can't find the navigation buttons?) - about the subtitles,'Lusa' is not the first and not the last. we have gone past the day of "ready,aim,fire!" translated to "sedia,acu,tembak!". but still, there are some words that's not supposed to be traslated, and should be left alone in english. they even took the liberty to translate names such as Hellboy(Pemuda Neraka), The Punisher (Penyeksa) and many more.click <A HREF="http://bluqube.blogspot.com/2005/11/lost-in-translation.html" REL="nofollow">here</A> if you want to see more.<BR/><BR/>2.Kak Chris - wow, our movie is really that bad?D-grade?watched a movie called Alien Species where the Hero's car was shot by a bazooka and still can run, but exploded bila langgar tiang lampu.that s**tty movie only get a B-Grade.sheesh!!<BR/><BR/>3.There's no 1 thing to be blamed on any occurance. everything happened in a cascade, a domino effect.1 causes another that causes another.some bloody hotshot went racing not only because of watching some movie.sombody doesn't go for a killing spree because he watched a killing movie.A movie may be a trigger for an incident, but there are other causes as well, and these causes have been neglected for so long.it is unfair to let movies become a scapegoat for these problems.even (to me, my own rating) crappy movies like Anak Mami series tried to point out this fact.maybe we just can't see it, because the directors had to (of forced) put it ever so subtly, we can't see it.another reason to relax cencorship?maybe.<BR/><BR/>6. Censorship had saved us.rating may not save us as of yet.imagine how a malaysian would feel if he watched Zoolander where it potrayed Malaysian as a Communist country, and a model with a pose that can stop bullets (literally) saved the Prime Minister (who looked dumb and gila seks) from assassination.cencorship did a right thing from putting that movie in our cinema.we still get to see it though, thanks to the pirates).although some films that had passed censorship like entrapment did potray malaysia badly (to me,again,my rating),CB still have its relevance.having said that, i still agree it needs to move with the flow, the winds of change.<BR/><BR/>5. rasa macam nak defend our movie pulak.Our movie have been improving since the day Malaysians took the director's chair from Aussies, Indians and Singaporeans (no offence to any of those countries).i believed that our movie makers make movies that our viewers want to see.During the Sepet screening on TV yesterday (saturday), somebody said "boring la, slow je citer dia.eh, malam ni ada citer ******* ,lagi best.(judul dirahsiakan, but believe me, it's a crappy malaysian box-office movie)." there are many good malaysian movies here (noted in the comments above, PGL, Berlari ke langit, perempuan,isteri&..., jogho, kaki bakar), but which of these actually made money for the producer?what then, will they use to pay the bills?<BR/><BR/>yes, we have seen non-mainstream movies made out of almost no external financial support at all, like Chennam Malai and Broken Washing Machine.but then,they just menang sorak, without much money made out of them.but their effort is a far cry from the producers of <A HREF="http://www.starwreck.com/" REL="nofollow">Star Wreck</A> which took 7 years to be made on personal financial support only(excluding technical support from various parties including fans).i really believe we could do it.and since afdlin is embarking on a similar path, we must show all those capitalist short buffaloes that we can do it!<BR/><BR/>No, we need not RM 5millionn to make a malaysian Good Will Hunting or any robin williams,tom hanks films.but can it sell?with our (generally speaking) current mindset, i believe it may not.<BR/>yes, some of us watch these beautiful movies.but as long as there are absence of large audience for these kind of movies, it will always be a niche market.a market not everybody wants to risk their money in, and not everybody who dared to venture succeded.if not, why would Cip resort to seek alternative financial assistance for Los&Faun?<BR/><BR/>yes, someone have to make the 1st BIG move,to make a good movie.and then us viewers have to make their part, to actually go and watch these movies, to make a PRESENCE.but, how can we watch if no one's showing it, how can we?there comes the govt's role.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://bluqube.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">Think Outside the Qube</A>Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02770897586500665826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15078041.post-1131251271148437402005-11-06T12:27:00.000+08:002005-11-06T12:27:00.000+08:00Salam lebaran,i'm one of ur fan. Can i link ur blo...Salam lebaran,<BR/>i'm one of ur fan. Can i link ur blog in mine? Luvs reading ur entries. Its very refreshing!blogfairyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05600572333810442608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15078041.post-1131238106286315682005-11-06T08:48:00.000+08:002005-11-06T08:48:00.000+08:00that pontianak look more like a clown to me.. haha...that pontianak look more like a clown to me.. hahahahaha!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15078041.post-1131229210903156392005-11-06T06:20:00.000+08:002005-11-06T06:20:00.000+08:00ok eventho i'm a bit 'sick' of d way they cut PHSM...ok eventho i'm a bit 'sick' of d way they cut PHSM, but i agree wit visitor at some point he he. the make up for dat pontianak is certainly ridiculous, because pontianak do NOT need a pair of red eyes to be scary, and the part i dun understand is, if maria is the daughter, how come there's lubang paku at the temple/neck/wutever? or is it not maria, its mariam? but i tot its mariam who <I>rasuk</I> maria? haiya.. bikin script kasi orang pening.-zaza:o:binxz-https://www.blogger.com/profile/10277005102350436687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15078041.post-1131169445048055912005-11-05T13:44:00.000+08:002005-11-05T13:44:00.000+08:00u see, thats another point to the problem of censo...u see, thats another point to the problem of censorship...now ppl can't even tell if a movie is bad becos of excessive censorship, or becos it is just a bad movie. to me, Ponti HSM is a bad movie regardless of the cuts made, cos the script doesn't work (granted it had to be vetted first before production started, that i understand). but the way they portrayed the hantu was a bit ridiculous la. that kind of white-faced, red-eyed ghost doesn't work anymore.<BR/><BR/>btw, Prodigal, you couldn't have said it better. if there are so many car accidents in a year, then might as well ban all motor vehicles, right?Allan Koay 郭少樺https://www.blogger.com/profile/06520221332029467739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15078041.post-1131138901959173872005-11-05T05:15:00.000+08:002005-11-05T05:15:00.000+08:00nurmisya :: sayang kan bila dikenang-kenang, our a...nurmisya :: sayang kan bila dikenang-kenang, our attempt with CG (which stands for computer grafix for ignorants) di potong potong dan dikelar kelar? maybe the CB members should try tak tido malam buat CG then they know WHY they shouldnt potong potong all the CG done for PHSM, or even other movies. the CG people, + director macam nak pecah kepala adjust the beziers, effects, positions, not to mention if they haf 3D modellings/animations.... then suddenly people jest potong potong just because 'its too scary' 'its too tahyul' 'its too ganas'. again, i quote my own earlier comment, wats d reason of having 18 SX, PL and SG???<BR/><BR/>and then bila CG kita looks tak 'betul' some people will start saying 'nak buat effects pun biarla cantik cantikkkk' ahaa... try la buat sendirii, ni software pun beli kat pasar malam nak kecoh. adoi adoi... sorry if i offend anyone. but this is reality.-zaza:o:binxz-https://www.blogger.com/profile/10277005102350436687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15078041.post-1131138097558802222005-11-05T05:01:00.000+08:002005-11-05T05:01:00.000+08:00aiyo so lambat to respond, so i wont respond to d ...aiyo so lambat to respond, so i wont respond to d issue webber brought up again (but i like webber's courage to admit his mistake, now dats more like a good engineer). but erm, couldn't i agree wit <B>mao</B> more?<BR/><BR/>its true, unity issue, polite scripts... i think film makers and CB should do sumthing bout dat. even the iranian movies that webber likes so much has <I>relaxed</I> conversations. some movies had a good attempt to 'relax' the conversations, but some... polite tak kena tempat. it looks so unnatural!<BR/><BR/>bout unity issue, i understand the attempt of trying to convey as much unity content into our movies/dramas, but it HAS to <I>blend</I> wit d scene! and kalau nak betul unity sangat2, why unite only chinese malay and indian??? what happened to kadazan? iban? melanau? maybe GK has to haf some iban policemen (no offense mr yusof haslam, it's jest a suggestion :p). <BR/><BR/>this is why i love films/telemovie like sepet, rabun, buli, and thank u for dat person who brought up bout kaki bakar, perempuan isteri dan ... (which should've been <I>jalang</I>, whats so bad bout jalang? some parents swear ba alif ba ya all d time at home)... u knoe... these movies has natural scripts.<BR/><BR/>wat's d point of having restrcitions (18pl, sg, sx) if basically, or actually, every films are almost neutral? <BR/><BR/>and sumthing off topic - did u guys watch pontianak harum sundal malam on TV yesterday? sampai dah tak paham dah cerita tu because sooo many scenes kena potong (in this case, its obviously to cut down airtime la kan).<BR/><BR/>disclaimer :: <BR/>this is jest an opinion... i'm still green in the film making world anyway.-zaza:o:binxz-https://www.blogger.com/profile/10277005102350436687noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15078041.post-1131128133907804202005-11-05T02:15:00.000+08:002005-11-05T02:15:00.000+08:00add little more .....Menteri Kebudayaan, Kesenian ...add little more .....<BR/><BR/>Menteri Kebudayaan, Kesenian dan Warisan Malaysia, Datuk Seri Utama Dr. Rais Yatim already make a BIG CHANGES IN DIRECTING THE MALAYSIAN MOVIE... ie, the theme for Festival Filem Malaysia Ke 18 - 2005 : FILEM MALAYSIA ERA GLOBALISASI <BR/><BR/>remember when last or former menteri penerangan malaysia stated and totally ban rap song. or if there is rap verse or chorus in song they gonna ban it first then the recording company hv to take out those rapping in that song in order to make the song been able to airplay in radio channel ... those in late 80's and early 90's ....... even bahasa rojak ie, english + bahasa melayu pun di ban at that time... <BR/><BR/>but now seem everything already change .. and hopefully (already proof) the new menteri will make a progressive environment for our entertainment industry......Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15078041.post-1131126979039078192005-11-05T01:56:00.000+08:002005-11-05T01:56:00.000+08:00dude... there is no such a thing called MALAYSIA M...dude... <BR/><BR/>there is no such a thing called MALAYSIA MOVIE that totally make for MALAYSIAN ... as in MULTI-CULTURE, MULTI-RELIGION, and much much more different MULTI........ but we have to think something about this..... <BR/><BR/>from start we are different ... (as mention above PLUS INFLUENCES & OPINION) how are we gonna blend or collaborate to make a TOTALLY MALAYSIA MOVIE?<BR/><BR/>as in SEPET, it just a jump start for something new..... the FFM award recently seem agreed with THEM.<BR/><BR/>what is MALAYSIA?<BR/><BR/>what is ART?<BR/><BR/>even what is HUMAN?<BR/><BR/>what is FINAS then?<BR/><BR/>who are the person behind it? what are their track record? since when the FINAS established? what are the main purpose of FINAS?<BR/>all this at : <BR/><BR/>http://www.finas.gov.my/<BR/>http://www.mff.com.my/laman_utama.asp<BR/>http://www.finas.gov.my/panduan.htm <<---- the "CB GUIDELINE" still under construction ??????<BR/><BR/>how to generate ideas from scratch and develop it, blend it, shape it, revise it... (even throw it away and start for something new, even get it back and do it again and again until satisfy) and hope that the result/message akan sampai dgn 'SELAMAT' atau the viewer will get what your message is all about.... it hard,... totally hard<BR/><BR/>we have to do research and proof in order to make our statement more accurate or concrete.<BR/><BR/>our chief kodok .. he is this line this is his life.. part of it thou... :)... he knew what he want and hopefully he know what he gonna do with it since all the kodok kodok here will watch every move he gonna make .... keke <BR/><BR/>most of malaysian just like this,... they gonna watch it from LUAR and they will GENERATE THEIR OPINION BASED ON WHAT THEY SAW OR HEARD if they didnt like it THEY WILL TOTALLY CONDEMN IT..... "kerana nila setitik, rosak susu sebelanga" <BR/><BR/>there is reason behind all this... and we have to deal with it, and we have to compromise too, itulah kehidupan like it or not ..... not all from LUAR SANA tu bagus.... we have to FACE THE REALITY ..... "berpijak dibumi yang nyata" <BR/><BR/>no offense here and im not trying to be racism since my blood is red too....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15078041.post-1131123384658576742005-11-05T00:56:00.000+08:002005-11-05T00:56:00.000+08:00I myself dah sampai satu tahap boikot movies2 yg d...I myself dah sampai satu tahap boikot movies2 yg di tunjuk di cinema malaysia, both international and local. why the hell i need to pay RM10 to see a movie that<BR/><BR/>1. dah kena potong oleh our stupid CB<BR/>2. subtitle cam sial (i.e the day after tomorrow = lusa etc etc).<BR/><BR/>I am an avid DVD collector and used to be an avid movie goer too. Right now i rather spend my money on DVDs, both cetak rompak and original ones. i don't mind spending couple of hundred bucks buying really good collectors movie online such as Savings Private Ryan, Shawshank, Matrix 10 dvds collection, etc.<BR/><BR/>Heck i also resent of the idea of buying DVDs region 3 from speedys! coz i know, i dont want movie experience to be spoilt by our stupid CB's actions.<BR/><BR/>Back to the discussion.<BR/><BR/>The basic argument is how to make our m'sian produced movies marketable and the only answer lies in CB. Yes, i agree that we need to have a WRITTEN censorship guidelines so that CB can follow them always. Such as anything that can be offensive to Islam or our culture should not be shown to the public.<BR/><BR/>and if this can be realised, i bet we'll have some excellent movies produced right here in our own country as well as be successful overseas.<BR/><BR/>freak<BR/>www.hafizismail.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15078041.post-1131108991267668502005-11-04T20:56:00.000+08:002005-11-04T20:56:00.000+08:00Eh saper cakap Hollywood tak recognise Malaysia. C...Eh saper cakap Hollywood tak recognise Malaysia. Cuba korang tengok cerita TV 24 tu. Remember the first season? What was the very first opening scene? yeaaa...<BR/>Bangunan KLCC and to be so stereotype of them, KL looks like VietKong kingdom. AKu harap kalau ada ID4 part 2, lets hope ada UFO letopkan KLCC pas tu background orang kita lari kat sawah ngan kerbau. Fuck HollyFuckingWood! yea. Tapi aku tgk gak all the major studio releases. AH well, it feels good to yell Fuck Hollywood. Plus they dont make profit over DVD sales in this region. BooHoo cry baby.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15078041.post-1131107925378390652005-11-04T20:38:00.000+08:002005-11-04T20:38:00.000+08:00Go get 'em people! It's about time for the rest of...Go get 'em people! It's about time for the rest of the world to finally KNOW us. As a Malaysian living abroad myself, it's disappointing when I introduce our country and they go.."Huh?You mean INDOnesia?..HUh?What's that again?"<BR/><BR/>One good way for us to be known is of course through films. I find that the film industry in Malaysia is so so so so slowly improving. If the Hindis can go to Hollywood, so can us! I don't know how to do it but I believe people like you, Afdlin Shauki, can! I believe you can take us there!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03657517356487353900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15078041.post-1131107358673695912005-11-04T20:29:00.000+08:002005-11-04T20:29:00.000+08:00yes, the CB sucks. but then again, malaysian movie...yes, the CB sucks. but then again, malaysian movies lack some of the ingredients found in great movies(imho) like shawshank redemption, Pi, requiem for a dream and some others(my list can go on). what im talking about is a good character development, and change. take note of what The People wants(hope, refreshment, strength) rather than some half-baked(or stale) ideas before you(i'm not pointing at cif though) start inking the script. the malaysian scene is changing though(take gol and gincu fer example) but the pace is not yet fast enough. forgive my ramblings(still hvng nightmares after watching "neon") because i do believe, if theres a group of people that can bring the much needed intellectual change that malaysia needed, its going to be you guys here(with all the thought provoking discussions!) in this blog. that includes you cif!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15078041.post-1131104563405576222005-11-04T19:42:00.000+08:002005-11-04T19:42:00.000+08:00tambahan: kadang2 boleh gak buat movie yg best dar...tambahan: kadang2 boleh gak buat movie yg best dari idea yg simple. have you watched 'garden state'? the movie is brilliant. citer pasal mamat sorg ni nak experience feelings that he used to have before he was prescribed with drugs after an unfortunate accident. simple kan? tapi menarik dan deep. furthermore, the usage of songs in the soundtrack are also played a big part in making the movie so good. although it's more of a thinking movie and I know a lot of people won't like it.Nas Yusufhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10204968126055961051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15078041.post-1131104012806844182005-11-04T19:33:00.000+08:002005-11-04T19:33:00.000+08:00selamat hari raya jugak afdlin... webber, kat mana...selamat hari raya jugak afdlin... webber, kat mana aku dengar nama tu ah? aa baru ingat dia sociologist yg prominet, setahap ngan karl marx dan emile durkheim. any balik semula ke isu film kita. aku rasa films cam sepet memang like a breath of fresh air. wlwpun personally tak suka pun cerita tu, at least aku puji gak idea yasmin ahmad buat muvie yg lain dari kebiasaan. langkah berani tu! people like her are needed to rejuvenate our film industry. takkan nak terkongkong ngan satu genre of movie sangat kan? tapi movie2 genre lain pun kena ada gak. PGL pun satu langkah berani. tak kisah la kalau org tak suka sebab personal preference. banyak sebenarnya movie malaysia yg in my opinion, yg berkualiti. aku cukup suka cerita berlari ke langit. cerita tu umpama komentar yg bagus. tentang in inequalities that still exist in our country. cerita tragedi bukit kepong, aku pun suka sebab mesej patriotik, dan jugak sebab flim tu depiction sejarah. citer ko, buli tu pun aku suka. sebab aku pun mangsa buli waktu sekolah. at least dalam movie tu aku bleh reflect balik, how good my life is now, dan problem zaman sekolah is arbitrary, it will be over once you're out of the school.<BR/><BR/>it is just that dalam industry film kita, selain dri censorship, ialah org suka carik jalan mudah. bila satu cerita genre cinta tu box office, semua start buat cerita camtu. kalau citer comedy slapstick laku plak, semua org start buat movie camtu sampai tak larat nk tgk. I mean, bagi la variety sket. biar dalam satu masa, ada film komentar sosial, ada film comedy, ada film cinta. takde la jemu sangat tgk cerita sama jek all the time.<BR/><BR/>kalau makan lauk sama setiap hari selama sebulan, sure muak dah kan? try 10 puluh tahun. sure rasa nak muntah nyer.<BR/><BR/>anyway aku budak engineering gak. betul gak kate dia, kita kena work around the limitation. cuma kalau limitation tu binding sangat, memang besar kemungkinan projek tu non feasible no matter what.<BR/><BR/>teruskan buat filem. kalau tak terus mencuba, macam mana nak dapat hasilnya kan?Nas Yusufhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10204968126055961051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15078041.post-1131103939654732422005-11-04T19:32:00.000+08:002005-11-04T19:32:00.000+08:00Japan makes some of the most gruesome, violent, se...Japan makes some of the most gruesome, violent, seram, jijik films in the world. the Asian Hardcore Champion title probly belongs to them. but hey, look at his: Japan's crime rate is lower than America, where if you make those kinds of films u see in Japan, u'll get an NC-17 rating from the MPAA. if you take the stand that films are influential and dangerous, then the Japanese would be killing, raping, robbing, mutilating, shooting and butchering one another right now.<BR/><BR/>there has never been any hard evidence that films or rock music have led people to commit criminal acts, even though the Charles Manson case was linked to Helter Skelter, the Bulger murder was linked to Child's Play. but NO HARD EVIDENCE.Allan Koay 郭少樺https://www.blogger.com/profile/06520221332029467739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15078041.post-1131097265669090922005-11-04T17:41:00.000+08:002005-11-04T17:41:00.000+08:00i hate malaysian movies because most of them are f...i hate malaysian movies because most of them are fake.. u know laa.. talking so damn politely while the real malaysians are generally rude.. we're so bersatu padu antara kaum while the real situation is.. racism do exist in malaysia.. u go to the university and u'll see a group of malays.. a group of chinese.. and etc laa.. these are the things that should be presented in a movie and at the same time the director should reflect how bad that thing is laa.. but yeah.. malaysians only love compliments.. and we hardly accept bad things about ourselves.. i wish we can produce an honest and malaysian film like sepet more.. and no more PGL like movie laa.. yeah.. an epic movie is great but if our princess looks more like a 40 yr old widow.. then that's a disgrace to the country.. and also the history la.. :P hail chief kodok!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15078041.post-1131091166224667752005-11-04T15:59:00.000+08:002005-11-04T15:59:00.000+08:00Hi JasonlLove your Mark Twain quote - makes methin...Hi Jasonl<BR/><BR/>Love your Mark Twain quote - makes methink of all us steak eater film lovers who hate having to slurp up the sweet and salty slop that makes up our d-grade sell-out movies...<BR/><BR/>ChristinaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15078041.post-1131088163238490172005-11-04T15:09:00.000+08:002005-11-04T15:09:00.000+08:00I was checking up on the term "censorship" and fou...I was checking up on the term "censorship" and found that it comes from a Latin word, "censere" which means to give as one's opinion or to assess. In early times, it was the Roman censors who act as magistrates and took the census count and served as assessors and inspectors of morals and conduct. <BR/><BR/>In contrast to that straightforward definition from Roman times, it would appear that present contemporary usage offers no agreed-upon definition of the term or when to use it. <BR/><BR/>Those who believe in some form of film censorship hold the view that censorship protects the moral values that are prevalent in society, thus it reflects our values. This is basically a governmental philosophy that is paternalistic as it is based on the assumption that they know what is best for their citizens. Anything that challenges this exclusive view must be banned or excluded.<BR/><BR/>The counter-argument is that censorship imposes the values of certain people, who do not necessarily respect the rest of us, and it assumes that we are not capable of mature, safe responses to "immoral" material.<BR/><BR/>U guys seem to be fond of the car & engineering analogy for films and censorship but I like to suggest a new analogy of a tailored shirt: <BR/>I buy a shirt because it fits me and I feel comfortable and good wearing it. Imagine if there is a shirt on sale that is missing a couple of buttons and one of the collars snipped off, heck I don't care if it is a ZEGNA, I'm not going to buy it or even wear it. <BR/>Or imagine one trying to re-tailor,re-cut or alter that masterpiece dress which has been completed by Gianni Versace, he'll probably turn in his grave and haunt you forever. <BR/><BR/>Nonetheless, I think that any outright banning of a film is kinda passe today as this suppressive function has now in reality been largely superseded in many countries by a new function of "guidance" which is not found at all in older concepts of censorship. So we gotta move from censorship to classification according to the type of audience for which they are considered suitable. <BR/><BR/>So the job of the censor or censorship board should be to provide guidance and it is left for the most part to individual filmgoers (particularly parents) to decide for themselves whether they wish to follow this advice or not. This change has come about through the legislative provision of a wide range of recommendatory certificates or classifications or ratings. On the supposition that his advice will be widely and correctly advertised, the Censor is enabled to approve, uncut and unemasculated, a great number of films which he would otherwise feel bound to cut heavily, or even ban outright. <BR/><BR/>So therefore, in the majority of cases the responsibility of choice is placed squarely on the consumers themselves. In essence, to achieve a flexible and liberal censorship system, involving a minimum restriction of the rights of moviegoers as a whole, can be brought about only by placing a heavy responsibility on parents, teachers, and all those who have<BR/>any control over children.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps the burning issue is one of protection of the children who are viewers therefore it is often argued that filmmakers must accept a sense of their own responsibility for the health and welfare of the whole of society, especially for the welfare of children.<BR/><BR/>I feel that there are various possible approaches to this censorship debate in that we can assume one of these statements and move our arguments from there ie. <BR/>1. Films are potentially <BR/> influential. <BR/>2. Viewers of films receive <BR/> messages, which, in some cases,<BR/> they need to be protected from .<BR/>3. There are certain people who <BR/> are capable of judging what <BR/> others should be able to see.<BR/> <BR/>Thus, in effect, there is a difference between an argument that disagrees with all of the three statements above (i.e. a view that suggests films are not influential) and an argument that asserts that films can influence, but that citizens should not be all treated as though they cannot interpret filmic images safely. <BR/><BR/>Like Afdlin said about "being provocative", I think the most common, and perhaps the best, argument against censorship is the claim that regulation would lead to routine productions rather than intelligent and thought-provoking films.<BR/><BR/>Btw, bulp, thanks for bringing up those incidents, maybe someone should make a comprehensive list of stuff like these with the actual number of cuts "requested",the reasons given for it, what followed on appeal etc etc. <BR/><BR/>I remember Mark Twain once wrote this: "Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it."<BR/><BR/>So, excuse me, where's my burger and give me my steak, man!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15078041.post-1131083442733970632005-11-04T13:50:00.000+08:002005-11-04T13:50:00.000+08:00hi Webber,i agree that you should definitely start...hi Webber,<BR/><BR/>i agree that you should definitely start a blog. u're a very opinionated guy and i think you have a lot to say about a lot of things. we could all learn from each other, so start one, man!Allan Koay 郭少樺https://www.blogger.com/profile/06520221332029467739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15078041.post-1131081311426363242005-11-04T13:15:00.000+08:002005-11-04T13:15:00.000+08:00Selamat Hari Raya!Selamat Hari Raya!Moe Masrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15035254600398795485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15078041.post-1131079851082743392005-11-04T12:50:00.000+08:002005-11-04T12:50:00.000+08:00visitor, i might had focused on the wrong a diffe...visitor,<BR/> i might had focused on the wrong a different issue here. I was under the impression that the censorship issue came about when filmmakers are stripped off their creativity by the censorship board, hence, the inability to be competitive in the international market. And that, by getting international recognition, we would be a major player in the global market, regardless of its acceptance by malaysian viewers. Maybe i misunderstood Afdlin's writing but im pretty sure he mentioned something about international market. But you're right, the main topic here is about the censorship board not being able to put the trust on malaysian filmmakers (and i know there are malaysian filmmakers who want to make movies for malaysians) and not about international market. I guess that half hour rant was a waste :). <BR/><BR/>My take on making movies for provocative sake is like focusing on one element of the movie instead of the whole movie. To me, it's like trying to find the best driver in the world and forgetting the machine he's driving in. He's fast alright, but with a slow machine, he's not going anywhere. <BR/><BR/>It's like the engineering competition i went to a couple of years ago. This school had made the whole race car with carbon fibres (it's like fiberglass type strands, black colored, i think you can find this material in auto shop around malaysia). The whole idea of building a race car out of carbon fibre is to keep the weight down, hence, faster car. I mean, they had Carbon Fibre (CF) wheels, CF body work, CF suspension, and some other parts in the car that you wouldnt believe could be made ouf of CF. When i asked the engineer in the team about the idea of using CF on the whole car, the guys replied "we wanna blow everybody's mind on having CF on the whole car ... it'll kick ass ... and ohhh to keep the weight down too." By the end of the competition ... they didnt even get to the Top 30. Obviously, the judges werent too impressed. <BR/><BR/>I hope you get the whole idea of what im trying to get into. When you try to focus on being provocative just for the sake of it, you will lose the intimacy between the film and the viewers and most probably lose track of what was the first reason you're trying to be provocative for. <BR/><BR/>But like afdlin said, film is subjective (very subjective i might add). Both of you might have some knowledge on how to work on a provocative ideas and turn it into a good film where it interacts with the viewers. But my opinion is strictly from a viewers point of view. Im not saying that you guys have been making movies for so long that you forget what we the viewers want, but sometimes when you've been in the producers chair for a while, you're starting to have a different point of view than the viewers, and have some of your own. <BR/><BR/>So ... my opinion might sound a bit irrelevant or useless, but you never know what a not so good idea can do sometime. <BR/><BR/>Just to throw a story in here ... some frens of mine who were mainly business minded and educated businessmen were wondering if i could build a car for less than 5 grand. Then we all could hang out once a week at the racetrack (basically, just like afdlin's weekly futsal, where we men, sibuk sangat ngan bini and anak anak, but at the same time, tak nak sisihkan all these bujang terlajak, so goes the weekly hangout, my social life was pratically over when all these wives start to get jeles bcoz we all still acting like we're on our early 20s). <BR/><BR/>First time i heard the idea, i burst in laughter (and of course, when you laugh at someone else's idea, you know they're gonna start being offensive). I mean, 5 grand is practically cheaper than a go kart, let alone trying to build a race car. I thought to myself, these guys have no idea how car building works. You cant even get it done if you were working on it for free. And of course, after my cynical comments, i was bombarded with all these comments on, basically, if you cant make it happen, you really are not that good of an engineer. I didnt really put much thought to it until about 2 years ago. I started to look around for parts, and realized, there is a 40% chance of making it happen. Not a good probability, but when engineering is 10% science and 90% effort, 40% seems like a good number. <BR/><BR/>My point is, an idea might seem stupid at first, but you never know what could spring out of it. And ohh ... wish me luck, if i get a chance to go back to malaysia in a year or two, i could possibly make my dream car come true with a price tag of RM 5K :).<BR/><BR/> ... after a minute pause ...<BR/><BR/>you know afdlin, when i went over my post (something which i have to do more often now), i started to think that my post has nothing to do with the discussions you have above. Maybe a line or two could possibly make some sense, but the rest seems kinda sway away from the the censorship disccussion. <BR/><BR/>So ... after spending 20 minutes writing, i think it'll be a waste if i just deleted the post so i thought i'll just post this anyway eventhough i think it's full of irrelevant comments. Hope you dont mind :). I think maybe i enjoy writing so much that i forgot why i started in the first place. When the doctors told me i got ADD in college, they werent playing i guess hehe (that's Adult Attention Deficit Disorder, or double ADD).<BR/><BR/>WebberAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com